Make chime louder or wire bell in another part of house?

[brushcreek]

I have a vista 20p board with an ademco 6150 keypad.  We like having the chime in case our daughter decides to open a door, but it isn't loud enough from our laundry room.  Is it possible to make it louder or can I get some of the wiring to attach to a bell on another side of the house?  Thanks for the thoughts.

[DEL Installations]

Obtain a relay such as an Altronix RBSN or Elk 924 and a sonalert or buzzer and then use the trigger header to trip the relay with the buzzer/piezo attached and installed remotely.

[brushcreek]

Thank you for the response.  That has put me on the right path now.  After doing some searching with that information it seems I need to connect the relay as you said to the trigger header on 1 and 3 and connect the "sounder" to that, it is the programming I am trying to slog my way through now.

I get that I need to set chime by zone, then create a zone list and since I want all the zones in one list I just add them all I guess.  At this point though I am not sure how I set the event in *80 to be chime by zone.  If anyone gets some time and can give some thoughts, thank you.

I will continue to read.

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Ok I think I am figuring it out.  I understand that zone list 3 is the chime by zone so add the zone using *81 to the zone list 3.  Then using *80 activated by zone list and then 03 for the zone list.

Do I want Output action 1 for a bell?  2 seconds closed will give me a quick ring?

As for *79 would out norm low be 0?

Then I would output type 1 for relay and 12 for the module address as the first relay?

Finally though for those two relays that you mentioned in your post what would the rel position be?  Would it be self explanatory once I purchase the relay?

Thank you again for all the help.

[DEL Installations]

A lot of this will be easier to see once you have a relay. You can use either the generic ones tied to the triggers or buy a 4204.

The + of the relay is driven off the panel + and - is off T-17, programmed norm low. The sounder power would be run through the relay.

Choice for operation would be 38=chime.

[brushcreek]

I went to radio shack looking at piezo buzzers hoping to be able to hear the loudness and sound, but they didn't have that ability. So I was wondering if anyone has bought one that might suggest a revival level and how to get a chime sound instead of annoying buzz ir loud siren. Thanks

[DEL Installations]

Their model # 273-68  should be plenty loud for what you're looking for. Basic electronic beep sound.

Only way I could see different would be to install something like an actual door chime from a big box hardware store, however that will complicate wiring and a lot more expense.

[brushcreek]

Has anyone tried to connect a device like theATW PC-300?

It seems a simple wiring just splitting the positve from the relay to positive and one of the triggers and sending the negative to negative, but I am new so I appreciate the thoughts.




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[DEL Installations]

You could tie the positive to the panel's positive, however I would be very leery of dropping that much current through the open collector trigger on the panel.

The onboard trigger header is very current limited for output, however I do not remember the exact spec for how much current can be sunk through the switched negative. In my case, I'd err on the safe side rather than risk damage to the panel for the cost of a $10 relay.

[brushcreek]

Are you saying you are concerned about the amount of current the trigger on the pc300 can take? Which could backup and fry the whole board?

[DEL Installations]

The positive output on the header is very current limited, so power shouldn't be drawn off it for anything other than, at most, LED's.

The negative/switched negative is an open collector, which is a switched transistor that is pulled to ground by the panel. They can handle a maximum of 100mA switched load.

The short answer is no, the panel will not handle the listed 70-180mA listed for draw on your proposed unit. You will need an ancilliary relay rated for the higher current which then would be switched by the triggers. Something like an altronix RBSN or equivalent.

As I stated before, I would personally not gamble damaging the panel hoping the chime drew less than the 100mA rating for the price of a $10 relay (retail).

[brushcreek]

I am new to this so I really appreciate all the responses and information.

Sorry if I am not understanding, but I was planning on wiring from the vista 20p trigger header to the relay, I have an Altronix RBSN already on order, then wiring from the relay to the chime/buzzer.  So are you saying that even through the relay you wouldn't try to wire this chime because of the draw or if there was the RBSN relay between the board and the chime it would be okay?

[DEL Installations]

The RBSN is used for the current switching of the higher load, the panel only switches (actually turn on/off) the relay's state.

You would hypothetically (not knowing your install) connect the postitive to the panel or other suitable supply's positive and then wire the negative through the NO and C of the relay.

The relay then gets wired to the panel's + and the - goes to the onboard trigger.

[brushcreek]

I went to start wiring to the trigger header and found out it is pins instead of screw holes for wires. Is there. A good way to do this without using just bare wires that could arc? Thanks

Little piece of electrical tape?

[DEL Installations]

Ademco makes a plug specifically for this. It used to come with the panels. I'd have to find a PN.

[brushcreek]

Thanks for the thoughts. I went and looked for that plug. I found a plug that had five holes in four wires I didn't recognize it because the trigger had 8 pins, and it's only had five holes but it it because the second hole is blank so I think this is the plug you were refrencing. Thanks for the thoughts. Ill give it a try